Survive and Thrive
 

This guy has to be a GIM member. Check out a couple of his very good videos.

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Rat holder, these videos would be a good addition to the sticky threads where new people coming in with lots of questions could easily find them.

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Very informative........ this a good breaking in session for newbies to the concept.

T

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This guy has some badddd advice, just add water to rice and beans? Umm nope, you'll get sick, mostly from the beans. And milk cartons break down so fast they are very bad for water storage. geez. I won't even go there with the gas,, can we say BOOMB?

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Kind of a hoot.....sounds like a guy that has spent a lot of time listening to Alex Jones, ran out a bought a bunch of STUFF and only has a vague clue of what to do from there.

Has a message, but presented in such a rambling manner that it would be dismissed by most people. Waste of bandwidth IMHO.

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I agree that he rambles on, but I think it is because he is trying to put a lot of info and opinions packed into a ten minute video. He definitely needs to do a better job of organizing his thoughts.

Many of his other 12 videos about the economy are better than these two.

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Post a link to them......

Never mind.....as a mod, I can go into your original post, and find the YouTube page the video came from, find the guy's YouTube name ( Visionvictory ) and from that, find all his videos. Non-mods don't have that option, so they would have a harder time finding it.

Here it is:

http://youtube.com/user/visionvictory

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Goddess. did you have your baby yet?

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I think the videos are fine for a starting point. The details can be negotiated later.

This guys idea is that half ass preps are better then none. He is right. Some people are simply not going to go to the lengths that many here will. If someone comes to this site and looks at Andy's set up they are going to feel very inadequate and like its not doable. The things in the video are doable and could keep someone going for a few months until some type of other arrangements are made. Prepping is an evolutionary process. Once you start you begin to see the source of things like freshwater and growing your own food but its overwhelming to start there.

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funny guy.

unfortunately all the stuff he has makes no difference, it seems like he doesn't know how to utilize it.

Not to mention, how can you thrive on what you've stored up? It's impossible, you need to be moving toward the self sufficiency of homesteading, as much as possible. It seems to be a different mindset than what this guy is preaching.

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Just FYI, Andy - you can actually just click the name of the YouTube video at the top of the little video window here on the GIM page (or click on the video itself, but not he play button - you'll see your cursor turn into a finger like it's a link), and it will open to the YouTube page in a new browser window. From there you can just click "See More Videos by this User" and it'll bring up the rest of his videos. :bear_thumb:

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He did say one thing that caught my attention, something about only buying or stocking up on the types of food you already include in your diet. That's been my advice for years now and that has been how we do it here at the homestead.

Homesteading toward growing most of your own is how I see it playing out. I've only watched the first one, so can't say how all the rest are, but right or wrong about some of his advice, I'd not mind having him for a neighbor. As it is, I try to be very careful what I talk about with anyone. If they bring it up I mostly stay agreeable with them and refraim from showing my hand.

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Hi Goddess, hey, how will adding water to beans make you sick. I've never heard that. As a kid on the farm we used to eat hard soybeans right out of the wagon during harvest. If they were real dry and hard we would leave 'em in our mouths a while to soften them up. Mom hated this as it would give us kids bad gas, which of course we thought was funny.

s

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Your poor Mother.. Hopefully you didnt feed them to the dog too. :bear_w00t:

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"there are too many variables to predict what's going to happen" probably the best quote from the entire video series.

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goddess- The point on the beans and rice, was that they are not complicated for people to make edible. Milk cartons DO NOT BREAK down fast, they will last 5 years plus.
The reason you state, "I won't even go there with the gas", is because there is no where for you to go. Having gas in gasoline cans doesn’t make a bomb you moron. Any American who cuts there grass has 5 gallon tanks in there garages. Your comments are very ignorant, it was wise of you to not comment on you tube where I could respond.

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goddess- The point on the beans and rice, was that they are not complicated for people to make edible. Milk cartons DO NOT BREAK down fast, they will last 5 years plus.
The reason you state, "I won't even go there with the gas", is because there is no where for you to go. Having gas in gasoline cans doesn�t make a bomb you moron. Any American who cuts there grass has 5 gallon tanks in there garages. Your comments are very ignorant, it was wise of you to not comment on you tube where I could respond.

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To many variables to predict what happens post collapse.

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Ah, duh, welcome to the forum, not a good start attacking goddess rather whoever is right or wrong about the subject, calling someone a moron in your very first post is in bad taste.

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+1

There is a way to disagree..without insulting reamarks.


T

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It is never a good idea to store large amounts of gasoline for a couple of reasons:

1. With ethanol now replacing MTBE, gasoline is much more likely to be contaminated by water. Storing it for long periods of time is problematic, even with good additives.

2. Gasoline in a hot container with start to vaporize and build pressure, it there is any problem with your containers, caps not on correctly, weak, etc. The containers may release these fumes into the confined space of your garage. The more containers you have, the more likely the problem.

3. Garages in many parts of the country are usually occupied by gas water heaters. Spark/open flame plus fumes=bomb.


So for the normal person, gas=bomb.


If you must store fuel, store diesel or kerosene or my favorite, propane. I keep no more than 10 gallons of gasoline and I make sure to rotate them VERY often, no more than 2 months. I check the containers very often, and make sure any built up pressure is relieved when it is very hot.

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Vision, did you really just rip into Goddess on your very first post here?? I'll put you right at the front of the list of someone who knows how to make friends and influence people.

s

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Im confused as well by the adding water to rice and beans will make you sick. Im probably just missunderstanding though. I havent watched the vid yet so maybe I could be missing the point for that reason as well. Would anyone care to elaborate?

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Visionvictory said that you didn't really have to cook rice (if you didn't have fuel for cooking), that if you just soaked it in water for 4 hours or so it would be edible. I don't remember hearing his saying the same thing about beans; but I doubt that most legumes would be particularly good raw (fresh peas being one exception). Don't beans contain an enzyme that makes digestion difficult until the enzyme is altered by cooking? You probably wouldn't want to make a whole meal of raw pinto beans.

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Your right, I shouldn't of called goddess a moron. But when someone makes a very ignorant comment about my advice, it�s very frustrating. Especially when I couldn�t reply until the fist of the month. My goal is to help and prepare as many as possible.

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Wow, that’s interesting. A spark could blow up gasoline safely secured in a gasoline container. Better not park your car in the garage.

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I'm sorry if I upset anyone about responding to goddess so harshly. Please read the ignorant comments she made, yes she ripped visonvictory first. I have no idea who she is, but obviously she's a regular. I have no intentions of blogging here; I just wanted to bring clarity for people who may have been deceived by such ignorance. I have every right to do so, it was my video that was posted here.
God Bless you all and I hope your prepared.

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Like you can't believe.....and for the last 30 years.....

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ah, that makes more sense. Yes, Im going with goddess on this one, I would advise NOT to eat just raw beans soaked in water for any extended period of time. You will have serious stomach aches/issues, irregular Bowel movments, etc. Its not hard to find a source to heat food. if you're going through the steps to secure the beans/rice...grab a few packs of matchs, bic lighters and a metal tin :). Also, start learning to how to start a fire using the bow method!

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I was a little harsh. I apologize for coming out of the gate swinging.
My videos do recommend 5 gallon buckets with oxygen absorbers.
As far as filling milk cartons with water, as noted in the videos, i think the water will be used in the next 12 months. Filling milk cartons with water is a way to stress to people to store as much as possible now.
As far as storing 30 gallons of gas in gasoline containers, I don�t see anything wrong with it. Those of us who own boats usually have about 20 gallons stored in 4 separate tanks.
I�m not new to any of this, I�m from a military family and I was also was in charge of emergency training for the Sheriff�s Department.

Again, I apologize for coming on to strong in my reply. I will talk to you all on youtube if you have any questions.
God Bless

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Gasoline in sealed containers can DO stuff with temperature extremes.

For example, here is a 55gal drum that was sealed last August, with about 2" of air headspace on top the gasoline. Stored in an unheated, but earth sheltered shed, the cold of winter caused the drum to collapse inward. Max cold here this winter was about zero.

The drum still didn't leak, but I can't say why......

( The copper fitting is an adapter for an air hose.....I'm getting ready to "blow" the dent out of the drum.....and then used it for used motor oil.....no more gasoline in THAT boy )

http://www.digistash.com/data/026a39...3_p122105.jpeg

Heat extremes can do the exact opposite......causing the drum ( or 5 gallon container ) to swell to the point of splitting open from the pressure, depending on how good a seal the cap has.....then you have liquid and vaporized gasoline in the building.

I store NO gasoline in any building I wouldn't want to lose......my storage is an earth bermed shed FAR from everything else so IF it goes, nothing else goes with it.

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Accepted!!. And welcome to the group. Lots of very intelligent folks here it's a good place to exchange ideas and get ideas if you need them. I'd like to think I've been on both ends of that stick, and I'm sure you can add to the general knowledge.

s

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TN Andy, Thank you for sharing. I appreciate you adding your safety comments as opposed to panicking and assuming everyone’s going to place their gas in the hottest spot in their garage.

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Never underestimate a industrious idiot. Far too many people would do so and not give it a second thought.

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No problem. Sorry if we ruffled your feathers about your videos. I fully understand the need to "spread the word"......been doing it myself a long time.
But also recognize we all can learn from others and none of us have it all down pat.

As a friend of mine who used to post here says "To be ready is not"......meaning most plans don't survive the first test of them. :D

Welcome to GIM and hope you plan to contribute here.

andy

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plan a plan b and then we'll c , good luck and good hunting.

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Gasoline Storage Question
What is anyone's experience with long term gasoline storage additives?
I've had a fairly large amount of gasoline go bad in less than one year with no additives.
The gas ran okay, I guess, in my vehicles, however played havok with more sensitive machinery such as generators and chain saws etc.
I'm aware that gas varnishes after time.
What is the best product(s) to use for longer term storage?
And I'm sirius.
PS I'm pretty sure this question has come up before.

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Yep.....I've gotten 4+ years with PRI-G

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Hey Andy? any chance of you posting on uTube you blowing out that 55 gallon drum with compressed air? that can't be like filling a rubber tire. Must take about 1000 psi?

Although that solid frame pallet you built looks like it could launch a sputnik or two.

but to play it safe, Make sure ur wifey gets to say, "fire in the hole!" right before lift-off :D

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Another item in garages that can start fires is a clothes dryer. Water heaters have to be on a 18" platform per code, to keep the flame above any gasoline vapors that may leak onto garage floor. yet, a clothes dryer does not need to be on a platform by code. A dryer also has a flame, and it is lower than a water heater flame. Something to think about. I took a heating and air conditioning class and heard a few horror stories about gas fumes and dryers/water heaters. Alot of the new dryers nowadays have those pedestals which will help out in this aspect.

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Actually, Keef, it only took about 50 PSI to straighten it right out.....I have a line just inside the front door of my shop that is regulated for a paint sprayer ( I can adjust it from 0 to 130, the max my compressor will put out ) and I hooked a 50' hose to it and the drum, and just eased the pressure up from the relatively safe position of the shop until I saw it pop back out....except for one small crease in the side, it did just fine. I wouldn't recommend just dumping a full 100 or so PSI on a drum....it would probably split wide open.

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Thanx for the timely response re: gas additives.

One on this thread suggested never storing gas. Well that's nice if your near a convenient refueling station. Many, myself included, are a minimum of a full days travel away from the nearest gas vendor, and need to store gas, esp. for generators and chain saws.

As an aside, I'm also procuring manual firewood harvesting equipment; winches, come-alongs, two-man cross-cut saws, various wedges and skids etc. in case a day will come when gas is not available or prohibitively expensive.

Anyway, I've enjoyed reading on this forum. I tried using the search for my question but went in circles for nearly an hour.

So once again, thanx for the info. There is a West Marine outlet near the vendor spoken of above, I'll go there when in town.

And I'm sirius